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10 Years Later: A Q&A With a Former Grad Student (and Great Advice for People Considering Whether to Leave Grad School!)

November 16, 2010

Having anything for today’s readers is entirely thanks to my guest blogger, Caroline Roberts. Barely had I finished issuing my invitation for her to talk about her decision to leave grad school when she returned this fantastic post. Yay!

In addition to being an accomplished freelancer, Caroline is one half of the writing duo behind Post Academic, a blog that admirably bridges the gap between academic and non-academic workplaces, giving great advice to academic job hunters, post-academics in transition, and people who just like professors in movies. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Caroline in person, and believe me when I say she’s someone you should listen to — friendly, helpful, and best of all, happy!

When WoPro asked me to write about my decision to leave an English PhD program before I finished, her timing was excellent. I made the leap from the ivory tower to the office world almost 10 years ago. I’ve had a long time to think about my decision, and I can tell you this: I did the right thing for me.

Since it’s been 10 years, I am going to cover 10 questions I heard after I declared my intention to quit. Maybe my responses can motivate you to leave grad school and pursue a career elsewhere. Or, if you’ve already made that move, my responses can help you explain your decisions to puzzled friends and family members.

1. Why did you leave grad school?

Primary Reason: In my second year of grad school, I started getting sick on a regular basis. I’ve chronicled this over at the Post Academic blog. I wasn’t eating well, I wasn’t sleeping and even the students in my comp class told me I should take a break once they saw me coughing up a lung during a bout with bronchitis. The life of the mind was taking a toll on my body.

Secondary Reason: My undergrad advisors had been clear that it wasn’t easy getting a job, so I decided to apply to go to grad school only if I got into a good program. I did get in, and I got enough funding to avoid loans, so I thought I had a better shot at an academic career than most. My logic was sound, until I saw people who were far smarter than me having trouble getting jobs, not to mention respect, an all-important intangible that I will discuss later in this post.

2. Tell the truth. Did you flunk out? Or were you just not able to hack it?

My transcript is proof that I did well. It took me a little while to settle on a field (18th-century British epistolary novel), but I loved the subject matter and was already forming ideas for a dissertation. My only dicey moment was a required French translation class, but I passed. Oh, and I wrote a bad paper on Wordsworth, but I never liked Wordsworth.

3. Doesn’t that make you a quitter?

Yes. I’m a quitter who makes more money and has better job opportunities precisely because I quit.

4. Don’t you feel bad that you took the slot of someone else who might have finished the whole program?

Yes. But I remind myself of this fact: Universities always need cheap labor. If a person has writing chops and good references, she will get into a program.

5. Don’t you regret not finishing grad school and seeing how it turned out?

Sometimes. My husband is an academic, and he’s thriving, so the thought of academia never really goes away. Plus, I enjoyed teaching. I even enjoyed teaching comp. For real. Given where I was and my field of interest, I didn’t have fantasies of being a hotshot at a top-tier research university. I thought teaching a high course load with less research was a good fit for me. I liked research, too, but it was more realistic to expect a job at a smaller university.

6. So why didn’t you keep going if you didn’t care about prestige and were okay with a job that emphasized teaching?

When I saw how administrators (and some of my peers) reacted when TAs at my university started to organize, I was shocked. A surprisingly high number of people–including TAs–felt that TAs didn’t deserve basic employment protections. Beyond the unionization factor, teachers don’t get respect or are dismissed with “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.” Thanks to attitudes like that, teachers are paid poorly, and they rarely receive the resources they need. Sure, I enjoyed teaching and was even recognized for it, but I realized that I’m not a martyr, and I’m not good at putting up with crap. I wanted respect. So I left grad school and found it.

7. Doesn’t being a cubicle jockey suck out your soul?

No! In general, I’ve had good office jobs. The worst job I ever had, the one that made me wish I was back in grad school, was one that had the most affiliations with universities. Low pay, no respect, rigid class system … I’m having flashbacks just thinking about it. The best jobs I ever had were in fields that merged the humanities with other disciplines, like writing for financial companies or writing copy that appeared in video search engines.

I would also like to add that you will find mental stimulation in the office environment. You won’t be deciphering Judith Butler all day, but you will need to solve tough problems. It is also extraordinarily satisfying to see the fruits of your labor within a short time as opposed to the years it takes to finish a dissertation. You might not be able to have theoretical debates like you did in grad school, but grad school and the office are similar–you’ll discover pretty quickly which people you get along with and which ones you don’t.

8. So how do I leave academia and find a job in another career?

If you’re a grad student, the first part is pretty easy. Wait for a logical break in your studies, and file to take a year off. Most programs are cool with it. I requested a year off after I finished my MA. Then you can start looking for work while knowing that you can come back. The second part is harder–Figuring out what you want to do. If you got into a good grad program, you must be smart, so the possibilities are endless.

(Editor’s note: the logical break part can get a little hairy once you’ve started a diss, but I’m trying to line someone up to address that!)

9. What if my advisor gets mad or is disappointed in me?

That’s a toughie. I had good advisors in my grad program. Some of them went through hard times during their own job searches, and they shared those stories with me, so they were understanding. If your advisor has convinced himself that one must suffer for the life of the mind, then just say you’ll take a year off. It’s not a lie. You might decide you want to come back. If your advisor doesn’t respond to your requests for advice or blows you off … well, you’re better off leaving. Bosses in the office world almost always return calls.

10. What careers can a former English grad student try? Journalism? Editing? Writing?

Don’t limit yourself. After I left, I immediately took the editing & writing route, but the jobs and the pay weren’t that great. Once I started learning about other fields, like investing and technology, I began to mesh my writing skills with this knowledge. If there’s a specific career you have in mind, start building connections and figuring out how you can get on that career path. It’s hard work, and you’re going to have to hustle, but the reward is much better than going through the MLA a few times and not getting a job.

To conclude, grad school and academia are completely different from an office job. That said, one isn’t any better than the other. I know I made references to a lack of respect for teachers and low pay, but some people are so passionate about teaching that they don’t mind. If you take time off and discover that academia is your calling, then pursue that dream. What’s important is finding a career that gives you satisfaction and self-respect, whether it is in academia or in an office.

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20 Responses
  1. Eliza Woolf says:

    Great guest post, Caroline! I enjoyed reading about your experience and learning why you decided to leave the ivory tower for greener pastures. Very interesting.
    One of my friends recently decided to leave her PhD program and not finish her dissertation (which she has worried about for YEARS now, even while working full-time) and I’ve never seen her happier. It’s like she woke up, threw of the shackles, and decided to finally give herself a break and start following her real passions w.o. guilt. I hope I have an ” ah ha!” moment sometime in the future too.

  2. Brian says:

    Given the opportunity costs of grad school (such as living on a shoestring, or going to the food bank, when your college friends are building up their 401k’s), and the general angst that it generates, it often makes sense to leave if you’re neither enjoying it nor looking forward to the life (!) afterwards. I say this as someone who enjoyed grad school and lucked out in the great job roulette that follows.

    It’s a common fallacy to throw good money after bad: to say that I’ve invested so much time in this thing that I hate that I can’t leave it and do something else. No! If you hate it, leave, and find something that you love–or something that pays the bills and that you can leave behind when the work day is over. Otherwise you’re like the guy in the Peter Hannan cartoon: just hitting yourself on the head with a hammer until you find out what is is that you really want to do.

    Caroline is spot-on: find something to do that allows you to preserve your self-respect. If that’s academia, then more power to you–but I’d advise against spending more than 3 years adjuncting in hopes of something better. Unless you’re independently wealthy….

  3. Can we turn this into a tidy brochure that I can hand out to loved ones who are mouldering away in grad school?

    Leaving my program was hands-down the best decision I’ve ever made, but it scared the bejesus out of me at the time. If only I had had a simple blog post like this to read to reassure me that there is life outside academia! Because it turns out there definitely is.

  4. Michael says:

    Wanting to leave because you hate it is one thing. Being able to leave because you have another money-making option is completely different. Until I get a post-academic job, leaving seems kinda silly if not counter-productive.

    • Life usually isn’t that tidy. You’re most likely going to need to overlap jobs at least, and luckily an academic schedule is flexible enough for you to find some work on the side (I did online website rating and worked for the Census) or maybe even intern somewhere in your chosen escape route.

      In the second place, you should read this article by Penelope Trunk. It’s a little in your face, but makes good points about the life choices we all have to make.

      Finally, I’m hoping to get some guest bloggers on the topic of making the leap of faith that’s almost inevitable in transitions.

  5. Jessica says:

    Great Post! I am currently a slave to academia and am seriously considering leaving my program. I left once for a year, came back, and am meeting with the same frustrations all over again: lack of respect from peers/professors, personal angst about my work and its validity, and general unhappiness with the brutal schedule and lack of pay. Reading posts like this one helps to assure me (and I am sure many out there) that this is one career path not a measure of self worth. It is good to know there are others out there who have walked the same road and are happier for their path taken. Thank you for sharing your story!

  6. Kiera says:

    Yes! My decision to leave grad school after my MA was much like my decision to quit vegetarianism at age 17. I missed the meat of life.

  7. celine says:

    Hey Caroline, I had no idea you left academia.. I actually wrote my phd dissertation and since my advisor (back in France) was totally ignoring me.. I finally just quit.. kinda of crazy esp since I wrote the whole damn thing. But again.. lack of respect and not great money outlooks, so..as you know i’m a mum now and very happy to be. AND most important, i’m following my true desires.. doing something related with food.. I’ll soon lauch http://www.ohlalafood.com
    anyway, great post. Thanks and hope to see you of these days.

    • Hi Celine, I knew you were getting your PhD, but I had no idea you left, either. I am sorry that your advisor was a space case, but it sounds like you are way happier now. I can’t wait to see your site! I am always interested in new food sites. Hope you guys are doing well!

  8. Wow–thank you for all the comments. Even though I left 10 years ago, it’s great to know that I wasn’t alone, and I’m still not alone. We all just need to keep spreading the word that it’s okay to leave grad school or academia if it doesn’t suit us, and our skills are valuable elsewhere. (Brian, your comment on why one shouldn’t throw good money after bad is also important; sometimes it’s better to bail out of the investment before you lose anything else to a job isn’t a good fit.)

  9. Late to the convo, but great post! I love reading about other people’s journeys; that sounds corny, but I think knowing a wider variety of narratives about how people end up where they do is not only instructive (in terms of informing my own decisions), but builds community. And I think that finding a community of like-minded individuals is essential (and such a great feeling!) since it feels like we’re struggling with these weighty decisions in total isolation.

  10. D.A. says:

    I’m late on this one.. Great post! I was in a group meeting with an advising professor recently: one friend mentioned she was having trouble keeping up and needed some advice. She was only getting 3 hours of sleep per night, if lucky. The professor’s response was “as long as you’re getting those 3 hours, keep working and don’t complain”. Then he proceeded to yell at our group for not having 100% attendance at departmental events (because we were, ya know, working).

    • OMG, I want to smack your professor so hard. 3 hours of sleep just plain isn’t enough. But that conversation, complete with yelling about lack of ‘participation’, was one I heard all too often in grad school.

    • Gah! I hate prof’s like that. Pardon me for writing so late, but I just need to chime in. I’ve had this conversation and similar ones like it. What finally confirmed for me my great desire to leave the academy was a cohort mate who heard my reasoning for why I wasn’t attending all the events and prioritizing my readings with the silly maxim, “Well, this isn’t a practical life. I read and attend events for their own sake and what we can glean from them.” To say the least, this person couldn’t understand that my very necessary job and readings was already causing me to burn the midnight oil until 3 am.

      It was this conversation, and reflections on so many like it, that I finally realized that I was in Wonderland and I needed to wake up and taste the sweetness of real life. It’s been much easier since that decision!

      • Well, late is better than never so thanks for stopping by! And I agree, the complete lack of pragmatism is probably the most annoying feature of academia, especially when it’s combined with a distaste for discussing filthy lucre!

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